Triumph Bantam Cub Electrics

Electrical information for the Bantam Cub variant of the Triumph Tiger Cub

All T20B models, both Bantam Cubs and Super Cubs, were fitted with electrics based on the BSA Bantam D10. The system is 6 volt, positive earth with a three-phase alternator and a rectifier supplying a battery mounted under the seat.

Lucas & Wipac Components
Alternator
Wiring Loom & Horn
Battery
Bulbs
Electronic Ignition
12 volt Conversion


Lucas & Wipac Components

A mixture of Lucas and Wipac components were used throughout both the T20B models.

Component

Manufacturer

Model/Type

Notes

Alternator (3-wire)

Lucas (or Wipac )

RM18 (or 1G1768)

See wiring details below

Rectifier

Lucas

2DS 506

 

Coil

Lucas

45150 - MA6

1.9" diameter x 4-5/8" long

Contact Breaker Plate

Lucas

4CA

One set of points fitted.

Contact Breaker Points

Lucas

54415803

 

Condeser

Lucas

425377 (DCB117)

 

Headlamp Shell

Lucas

MCH 56

See 'Rebuilding' page for details

Headlamp Lens

Lucas (or Wipac)

516828 (or S0507)

5-3/4" diameter

Headlamp Main Bulbholder

Lucas

554602

For British 'Pre-Focus' bulb - see below

Headlamp Pilot Bulbholder

Lucas

554710

For BA9s bulb - see below

Speedometer Bulbholder

Lucas

54935300

For BA7s bulb - see below

Ignition Switch

Lucas

88SA 34427

 

Ignition Switch Wiring Socket

Lucas

54930008

 

Lighting Switch

Lucas

88SA 34289

 

Lighting Switch Wiring Socket

Lucas

5493007

 

Main Beam Warning Lamp

not fitted

-

See note below *

Horn/Dip Switch

Wipac

S3857 "Ducon"

 

Horn

Lucas

8H (6V)

 

Brake Light Switch

Wipac

S4010 "Series 185"

 

Rear Light Assmbly

Lucas

LU53454 - L564

Takes BAY15d bulb - see below

* Note: Some BSA Bantam D10 models had a blue, main beam, warning lamp fitted in the central hole on the top of the headlamp, between the ignition and lighting switches. However, the Triumph T20B Bantam Cubs and Super Cubs did not have that option fitted and instead had a black, rubber, blanking grommet in that hole.

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Alternator

Most Bantam Cubs and Super Cubs had Lucas alternators fitted, but some did leave the factory with Wipac alternators. All the alternator stators have six coils wired in three pairs. Two coils (one pair) are used for charging and normal running. The other four coils (two pairs) provide additional power when the lights are switched on.

Alternator Schematic Diagrams

Alternator schematic diagram as shown on Triumph & Lucas wiring diagrams.

Alternator schematic diagram as shown on BSA & Wipac wiring diagrams.

As shown on Triumph & Lucas
wiring diagrams

As shown on BSA & Wipac
wiring diagrams

Both the above diagrams are electrically identical, the connections are just pictured differently.

The Lucas and Wipac alternators are physically and electrically interchangeable. The only significant difference between them is the colour of the wires as shown below.

Connection

Lucas

Wipac

Common

Green & White (or Light Green)

Green

2 Coils - charging

Green & Black (or Dark Green)

Yellow

4 Coils - lighting

Green & Yellow (or Mid Green)

Orange

The following links provide additional information for Lucas alternators:

Lucas Alternator Guides
A selection of original Lucas publications describing the operation and testing of the RM series alternators and their typical use in motorbikes. From British Only Motorcycles and Parts, Inc.

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Wiring Loom & Horn

The wiring loom for both T20B models is very similar to both the Bantam D10 loom and late, standard, T20 Tiger Cub looms with separate ignition and lighting switches.

There are very minor differences in some of the wire lengths between the Bantam and Cub looms, but the only really significant difference seems to be the location of the horn. The BSA Bantams and the majority of T20 Tiger Cubs had the horn mounted under the seat near the battery, but the horn on the T20B Bantam Cubs and Super Cubs hangs down under the front of the petrol tank. It is attached to the frame by a small flat bracket and protrudes below the tank, close to the headstock.

If you can't source the correct T20B loom then either a D10 or a late T20 loom can be used with just a minor modification to accomodate the horn. Simply run two wires from inside the headlight shell to the horn under the petrol tank and connect one to the switch and the other to a live (negative) connection on the main loom.

Note that although the Bantam Cub is largely based on the Bantam D7 machine, the Bantam D7 wiring loom is not suitable because the D7 had a single, combined, ignition/lighting switch.

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Battery

The Triumph Parts Book lists the original, lead-acid battery as a Lucas MLZ9E. This was a 6 volt, 11Ah battery that was 4.75" wide x 2.5" deep x 5" high. (This is considerably wider than the PUZ5E battery that was fitted to standard, T20 Tiger Cubs.)

If you're looking for a lead-acid replacement then the Yuasa 6N11A-1B or an equivalent should fit. Alternatively, many modern, gel batteries will fit.

Yuasa 6N11A-1B or equivalent battery will fit.

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Bulbs

T20B Bantam Cubs and Super Cubs use standard 6 volt bulbs that are still readily available. See the 'Suppliers' page for sellers.

Headlight

P36d (312)
Double Contact
British Pre-Focus
Double Filament
6 volt, 30/24 watt
Lucas LLB 312

P36d (312) bulb, 6 volt, 30/24 watt.

Pilot Light

BA9s (641)
Miniature Bayonet
Single Filament
6 volt, 3 watt
Lucas LLB 641
Replaces obsolete LLB 988.

BA9s (641) bulb, 6 volt, 3 watt.

Speedometer Light

BA7s (282)
Miniature Bayonet
Single Filament
6 volt, 1.2 watt
Lucas LLB 282
0.6W originally, but 1.2W recommended.

BA7s (282) bulb, 6 volt, 1.2 watt.

Stop & Tail Light

BAY15d (384)
Double Contact, Offset Pins
Medium Globe
Double Filament
6 volt, 21/5 watt
Lucas LLB 384
Replaces obsolete LLB 352 (18/6W).

BAY15d (384) bulb, 6 volt, 21/5 watt.

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Electronic Ignition

The traditional ignition system fitted to the T20B is adequate, but requires regular attention to keep the points clean and the timing correct. Retaining the points does keep the bike original, but increases maintenance and can be unreliable.

There are several options for upgrading to modern electronic ignition. Some systems use the electronics to dramatically reduce the electrical current through the original points. This extends their usable life significantly. Others replace the points completely with an electronic sensor and some even replace the coil as well. Advice and information is available on forums such as the Tiger Cub Forum.

Suppliers of electronic ignition systems suitable for Tiger Cub engines include Boyer Bransden and Rooster Booster. The latter was originally developed for the BSA Bantam, but they now have universal versions that are sold for Tiger Cubs. There are other manufacturers too.

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12 volt Conversion

Many owners still run Bantam Cubs and Super Cubs with original, 6 volt electrics. Upgrading to 12 volt is straightforward, especially if it is done as part of a major rebuild. However, it can be expensive and might not be cost-effective unless you are doing a high mileage or riding competitively.

Advice and information about converting to 12 volt is available on forums such as the Tiger Cub Forum. The 'Electrical' section on the 'Suppliers' page lists sellers of both 6 volt and 12 volt components.

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